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Post by Carlos on Oct 1, 2003 16:01:12 GMT
Please can someone explain to me why is the UK so hostile towards Croatia?
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Post by Anja on Oct 1, 2003 20:16:17 GMT
For couple of reasons in my opinion:
1. Old (exiled) Serbian monarchy has tight relations with
UK
2. Croatian community in UK is very small when compared with a large Serbian community so you can imagine whose voices were heard during the war in Croatia.
3. Currently global influence of UK/US in Croatia is not as s. as the same influence in other Balkan countries plus Croatia has s. tights with Germany.
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Post by Mirko on Oct 2, 2003 8:46:36 GMT
Can I also add: most Brits hate Roman Catholics!
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Post by Dalmatinski Srbin on Oct 2, 2003 11:27:38 GMT
In reply to Anja:
For couple of reasons in my opinion:
1. Old (exiled) Serbian monarchy has tight relations with
UK
I dont think this is quite correct, they are simply old. They do not have a powerful lobby in this country. They spend most of their time asking for their land back in Serbia and Montenegro, which in my opinion they dont deserve
In reply to Mirko:
Most brits dont care who is catholic, protestant etc
Maybe you guys are a wee bit paranoid?
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Post by SimplyMe on Oct 2, 2003 16:41:11 GMT
Yea,.. I think Dal Srbin is correct on the last point,.. U are all just a bit to paranoid.
They/I don't hate croats for being roman catholic,.. on the contrary, that seems to have gone far with the E.U. however I'll tell you one reason why Brits have a dislike in Croatians in general.
For some reason it seems that everytime u meet a brit and u tell him that u'r from croatia, they seem to think that u are a refugee/asslyium seekers. And we know what Brits think of them!!
They also don't know where croatia is. I mean I had people tell me,.. "yea yea its close to russia,.. " "somewhere there" and ofcource my favorite; "is that in Asia?!!".
Last thing; They see croatian as cheap slavic culture.
Hope I didn't insult anyone,..
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Post by Mirko on Oct 2, 2003 16:42:31 GMT
No, we are not paranoid, it is just that the whole Europe supports Croatia, but not the UK. Do YOU know why is that?
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Post by Anja on Oct 2, 2003 17:09:34 GMT
Yea,.. I think Dal Srbin is correct on the last point,.. U are all just a bit to paranoid. They/I don't hate croats for being roman catholic,.. on the contrary, that seems to have gone far with the E.U. however I'll tell you one reason why Brits have a dislike in Croatians in general. For some reason it seems that everytime u meet a brit and u tell him that u'r from croatia, they seem to think that u are a refugee/asslyium seekers. And we know what Brits think of them!! They also don't know where croatia is. I mean I had people tell me,.. "yea yea its close to russia,.. " "somewhere there" and ofcource my favorite; "is that in Asia?!!". Last thing; They see croatian as cheap slavic culture. Hope I didn't insult anyone,.. It depends of type op people you have around. All Brits around me know very well where Croatia is.. But then they think we are all fascists due to Jewish influence.. Same time lots of them ask me to help them to buy a property in Croatia.. Many of them went to Croatia at least once.. But this is different to the government's "position".. The negativity is there mainly for one thing: New imperialism doesn't work in Croatia.. When tried to throw Yugoslavia (I do not mean Brits here..) they had Yugo Army as an obstacle.. Now there is a Croatian Army in a very similar position, Croatian brothers are s., the whole situation not very easy to destabilise, it would take many years to make it a second Bosnia and ..Here is the problem! For those who think Brits do not know where Croatia is please see Martin Westby's post on Visit Croatia messageboard/ property section.. |
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Post by SimplyMe on Oct 2, 2003 19:01:49 GMT
they think we are all fascists due to Jewish influence,..
Whats that supposed to mean??
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Post by Anja on Oct 2, 2003 23:02:07 GMT
they think we are all fascists due to Jewish influence,.. Whats that supposed to mean?? This means that there was an opinion among Jewish people that Croatia would be unfriendly towards them.. because of the negative propaganda during and after WWII. Remember the recent Guardian article by Ms Pascal? I hope the recent visit of the Israeli PM to Croatia has changed this. |
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Post by xyz on Oct 2, 2003 23:28:54 GMT
Where you people are finding all this crap about special hate towards Croats? Anja, of course that people who are around you will know about Croatia. You explained them. Like the rest of us did. Brits are sensitive about immigration issue and that is understandable. I am angry about bogus asylum seekers myself because I have to pay for them as well. We felt the same about people comming from other countries to Croatia having more rights than Croats.We just forgot about that a bit.  |
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Post by SimplyMe on Oct 3, 2003 1:12:58 GMT
Anja anja, what do u want me to say to that,..
Let me tell u story little anja:
Close to Dubrovnik there is an island called Lopud. During second world war it was controled by Italians , while Dubrovnik was controlled by Ustasas(croats). The owners of the main hotel on the island of Lopud(Lopud Hotel) let the jewish refugees stay there all thru the ww2(Of which all of them survived). After the war the hotel was seezed by the Yugoslav government as a punishment to the owners for helping these refugees and now in the "Democratic" republic of croatia the hotel is still under government admin. Not a share was awarded back to its original owners. And I believe it will be soon sold to the highest bidder just like Hotel Sipan on the nearby island.
Now u gonna tell me Anja that Jewish views is just
negative propaganda during and after WWII?!
Who the hell do u think u are,..
I have a better question for ya,.. Do u know what Stanarsko Pravo is?? I my self define it as squatters living in someones freehold property, paying no rent, paying no utility bills, living virtualy in the center of the city, calling cops at 2am causing all sorts of distrbences and (oh I love this) with the full government backing. I mean its simple they have some sort of rights. So little Anja, its not negative propaganda,.. its reality!!
Alot of people want their property back in croatia from Jews to Italians to Serbs,... u think that there is hostility toward croats here,.. U wonna know why?? Cause alot of those people who ended up as refugees and lost their property either in this last war or ww2 ended up here of all places. And believe me when the nuts hits the fan the smell travels quickly!!
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Post by SimplyMe on Oct 3, 2003 1:17:26 GMT
Oh and by the way it would have been educational for u if u watched tonights film on one of the channels. Began about 1am. I think its still on.
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Post by Mala on Oct 3, 2003 8:36:33 GMT
This is cr*p about Jewish negativity towards Croatia. The Jews have other problems to worry about.
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Post by Mala on Oct 3, 2003 8:38:22 GMT
Is any person on this forum capable to explain to Carlos his question, It seems to me not!
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Post by Dalmatinski Srbin on Oct 3, 2003 8:39:16 GMT
Posted by: Mirko Posted on: Oct 2nd, 2003, 12:42pm
No, we are not paranoid, it is just that the whole Europe supports Croatia, but not the UK. Do YOU know why is that?
If it makes you feel any better Mirko, the UK does not care much for Serbia either and I dont think I need explain why. The UK (and I mean Tony Bliar) apply equal pressure on Serbia as they do to Croatia to hand over suspects to the Hague. You might argue against this but more or less they have no sympathy for either parties.
When I say you guys are paranoid I mean to say that all I see how Croats react to others via the media is that you spend all your energy complaining about how people are unfair to you. Why dont you spend the same energy just getting on with your lives and looking beyond the end of your noses and realising that no one has it in for you.
After all, as you have just said yourself, the rest of eurpoe supports you, so why moan about the UK?
Anyway, to end on a lighter note, here's an example summing up how much the english public now about the wars in Croatia and Bosnia etc.
Joe Average: So where do you come from then wiv a funny name like that?
Me: I'm a Serb from Croatia
Joe Average: Oh I know where you mean, I've got a mate from there as well.
Me: Oh really? Where from?
Joe Average: Poland! Your'e not anywhere near that place called Iraq are you?
You give them newspapers, satellite, TV, internet and god knows what else and they still dont know where you are from
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