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Post by Anja on Oct 3, 2003 8:39:47 GMT
I do not know one Croatian families ( who are from strictly from Croatia) who are Asylum Seekers, let alone bogus ones, I am not going to mention the government benefits. I do not know who are the people you mention here. Croats I know in UK work and pay tax. They also work very hard, same time studying and improving in thier career. When I worked for an university, 9 of 11 professors were from ex Yu, 3 of them from Croatia.
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Post by Anja on Oct 3, 2003 8:51:45 GMT
Simply: When did you last time go to Croatia? I suggest you go now and make you own opinion instead of listening to the machinery propaganda.. Croatia is a free country now, like it or not, for all its citizens.. I know many people wouldn't like this fact but I am afraid they will have to live with it! Re your Lopud story, I believe there are properties like this all over the Europe, why should Croatia be the first to solve it.. I hope this helps.
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Post by Anja on Oct 3, 2003 8:57:26 GMT
In reply to Anja: For couple of reasons in my opinion: 1. Old (exiled) Serbian monarchy has tight relations with UK I dont think this is quite correct, they are simply old. They do not have a powerful lobby in this country. They spend most of their time asking for their land back in Serbia and Montenegro, which in my opinion they dont deserve Before saying what I said I visited their website. They are not old at all. they moved back to Belgrade according to their site. And the site tells it well about their influence in UK politics. www.royalfamily.org/index_yu.html
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Post by Tom on Oct 3, 2003 9:57:30 GMT
Is any person on this forum capable to explain to Carlos his question, It seems to me not! Why do not explain yourself, babe!
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Post by SimplyMe on Oct 3, 2003 16:10:18 GMT
Simply: When did you last time go to Croatia? I suggest you go now and make you own opinion instead of listening to the machinery propaganda.. Croatia is a free country now, like it or not, for all its citizens.. I know many people wouldn't like this fact but I am afraid they will have to live with it! Re your Lopud story, I believe there are properties like this all over the Europe, why should Croatia be the first to solve it.. I hope this helps. The last time I visited Croatia was this summer. I stayed there 1.5 months. I went to Dubrovnik. I'm not listening to the machinery propaganda(or what ever u call it), I've been there I've seen it with my own eyes. Croatia is not a free country, don't be so daft. My parents have been waiting for the squaters(stanari) to be evicted from the property for the last 40 years. I have never seen the inside of that particular flat that my parents own even thou I am over 20 years old. I understand that all u'r tryin to do is defend your countries image. I don't blame u for that however u can shut me out and erase my messages, but the questions stay!! Be honest to yourself,.. what did croatia ever do for you?? As for u telling me that Croatia is free for all citizens: Thats a good one. At least 50,000 people who were born in Croatia are waiting to be aloud to return back to their homes from nearby countries(u know what i'm talkin about). Or have u ever wondered y there are so many gypsies(Romi's) from Croatia here. Maybe its because Croatia is SOOOOO free that they just felt free to travel "in exodus" from Croatia!! U know what, I feel like I'm talkin to a brickwall here. Anja I don't mind u defending your self cause u know execly what u have done or haven't done. With Croatia its too General. Its done alot of things, some good things, some bad things. Alot of wierd things that aren't easly explained. Croatia isn't an individual. Its a group of 5 million individuals(bare that in mind).
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Post by Anja on Oct 4, 2003 10:36:12 GMT
Further to this subject -this is from an article in today's Guardian -it was a book review: books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1055174,00.html ...Fesperman's initial setting is a newly undivided Berlin at the end of the 20th century, a vast building site awaiting new glass towers. Most of the labour is foreign and casual, and includes Vlado Petric, a former detective from Sarajevo, reduced to uncomfortable refugee status. Germany's buried past is brought into sharp relief with the unearthing of a bunker for SS drivers. This discovery prepares the way for a more complex and ambiguous historical excavation with Petric's uneasy return to his homeland.
Hired by enigmatic Americans working for the international war crimes tribunal, Petric is run as a lure for an old soldier from the 1940s involved in wholesale slaughter which, even by the standards of that war's genocide, took some beating. During the second world war Croatia gained independence by siding with the Nazis, and the puppet Ustashe government, with active encouragement from a militant Roman Catholic Church, embarked on a bloodthirsty programme of such atavistic hands-on savagery that even Nazi observers, advocates of more distanced methods of dispatch, blanched. Having grown up in Tito's Yugoslavia, Petric's grasp of his country's history is obscured. Cultural amnesia makes his discoveries truly shocking. The painful lesson is compounded by his realisation of possible family involvement. The investigation becomes one of uncomfortable self-interrogation.
The American role then, as now, is not straightforward. Petric's quest takes him to Italy, back into a murky world of postwar horse-trading where ambitious young intelligence men like Angleton cut every corner to prepare for the fight against communism. In a variation of the more publicised Nazi-Vatican rat lines, Croatian war criminals, including their leader, ended up under Vatican diplomatic protection thanks to the efforts of native clergy who relocated to Rome to run refugee programmes that doubled as escape routes. Many of those who ended up in the United States became Republican party stalwarts and proved big fundraisers for Nixon in particular.
I would fully agree with the end of this text: History, depending on who's telling it, becomes no more than the official lie.
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Post by Anja on Oct 4, 2003 10:45:38 GMT
My point in here is why this: During the second world war Croatia gained independence by siding with the Nazis, and the puppet Ustashe government, with active encouragement from a militant Roman Catholic Church, embarked on a bloodthirsty programme of such atavistic hands-on savagery that even Nazi observers, advocates of more distanced methods of dispatch, blanched.
has to be repeted in british press all over and over again almost on 365 times a year basis..
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